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#18 – Medibanks’ Craig Rowlands on Saving Lives with Data Literacy

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Today’s guest is Craig Rowlands, the General Manager of Medibank. Craig is an ambitious leader with a proven track record for delivering major projects including data management, production, and business intelligence solutions.

On this episode, Craig and Cindi discuss the life- and cost-saving benefits of leveraging data to improve decision making in healthcare, how moving from financial services to healthcare has given Craig a more holistic view of what’s possible with data, why an individual should never stop learning and broadening their skills at any age, and establishing beneficial relationships with vendors that make you partners in each others’ success.


Key Discussion Points:

  • There’s nothing like a life-changing event to demonstrate how data from the patient’s perspective can be used. Craig demonstrated how he was able to research options for his own heart bypass surgery informed by the available data.
  • Always broaden your skills. In Craig’s case, this has meant moving across industries — from banking to the medical field — to maximize his knowledge of what’s being done versus what can be done with data.
  • Establish a two-way partnership with vendors. Ensure they understand the value of being a partner invested in the welfare of both sides rather than merely filling the traditional, transactional vendor role, and that you’re invested in keeping that relationship ongoing as well.
  • Have a clear strategy when starting a new role. Look at the outcomes that you want and make sure that they align with your business goals.


Key Quotes:

“I will always argue that data’s data and you can use it for the power of good or potentially the power of bad — in this case, the power of good.”

“Typically we would think that the most expensive of the procedures probably means that you’re getting the best outcome. The data says that’s not true. … [So] there is a listing of practitioners available to customers so you can make an informed choice about the cost of an operational procedure [and] the individual [doing the procedure].”

How do we respect privacy while also leveraging it for the greater good? “In Australia, there’s a famous place where there are approximately 50 suicides a year, which is called The Gap … in New South Wales. And there’s an institute that is looking to put sensors in and around that area so that when individuals go to this area — potentially to commit harm to themselves — they would ideally like to be able to tap into those individual’s health records to see if they had a predisposition or some mental health illness beforehand. So they can save a life. The question then is: would exposing all of this information to save a life be the right thing to do, or would some individuals believe that incurs on their data privacy? And the answer is probably both scenarios are right. It’s a case-by-case basis. … I would say if it saves a life, what a fantastic outcome, but … some individuals would decline that offer.”

Addressing a 2018 CIO article that says Australian companies “suck” at data and analytics because of their risk-averse culture, lack of talent, and reluctance to experiment: “I’m going to say yes and no. So some clearly don’t, [but] there are things that I was doing in the UK 10 years ago that still aren’t being done in Australia. … People will say that there’s not a lot of talent in Australia; I would argue that Australia has done a lot to bring talent in globally. So if I think about my time at ANZ bank, the vast majority of the team actually was not Australian. They were European or American in the modeling team and in the data management team, but with the view of educating Australians — to bring them up to that kind of capability that their counterparts are at.”

Is Australia behind the times in accepting cloud? “I think a few years ago, the regulators were very anti-cloud from an Australian point of view. Now I think they’re very pro-cloud. Medibank … has cloud-first adoption; AWS is our preferred one, [but] there are three main cloud providers in Australia. A lot of the larger organizations have adopted the cloud either fully, or at least as a hybrid like us. I think a lot of them are moving toward the outcomes that cloud can provide [at a fiscally feasible price point]. … I think there’s many tricks for those of us who have now been on cloud for a while to keep the costs down and based on our experiences, I think we’re getting some exceptionally good outcomes.”

On keeping data secure without disrupting its use to analysts: “I don’t want to stop anybody doing any analytics, because the more insight we’ve got, the better the outcomes. So, to me, they need to be doing more of it, not less of it. What I need to provide them [with] … is a safe environment to be able to do that, and that’s what we’re looking for: providing them [with] the right tools to be able to do so as well.”

How did Craig connect with the existing team when he came on board at Medibank?: “I was quite honest with them, and I always try to be very honest with my team anyway — so they know where they stand. I’m not going to beat around the bush, either. So the first conversation was, ‘I’ve been brought in because things aren’t going as well as they could be. And I think you’re all adults and you all know this, so how do we work together to make sure the outcomes are better outcomes for everybody?”

How Craig adapted to remain relevant in his chosen role in a former field — even when a higher-up was slow to recognize it (note: this strategy can be applied to any role in any field): “I found a role and I moved into fraud analytics, and I deliberately picked something different from risk and financial services. And then I moved into decision systems and implementation of decision systems because I wanted to broaden. And each step along that journey, particularly in the early days, was as much about my desire to prove that I can do it to myself and to this individual.”


More About Craig:

Craig Rowlands is the General Manager of Medibank. He is an ambitious leader with a proven track record for delivering major projects and managing data management, production, and business intelligence solutions, enabling optimal performance via leading-edge warehousing infrastructure, improved functionality, and best in class data quality controls and checks.

Leading a large, multi-site team that constantly exceeds business expectations and thrives in a testing, team-focused environment that drives improved individuals’ performance and career progression.

Craig remains a highly experienced and technical analyst with a clear understanding of the strategic importance of data warehousing, business intelligence, and analytical software within an information-dependent business.

The Data Chief is presented by our friends at ThoughtSpot. Searching through your company’s data for insights doesn’t have to be complicated. With ThoughtSpot, anyone in your organization can easily answer their own data questions, find the facts, and make better, faster decisions. Learn more at

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The Data Chief is presented by our friends at ThoughtSpot. Searching through your company’s data for insights doesn’t have to be complicated. With ThoughtSpot, anyone in your organization can easily answer their own data questions, find the facts, and make better, faster decisions. Learn more at

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