If you tell your AI NOT to delete your database you’re good right?
In this episode of IT Visionaries, Chris Brandt sits down with Daniel Meyer, CTO of Camunda, to explore why prompts alone are not enough to govern AI.
They discuss the difference between governance by instruction and governance by structure, why enterprises are struggling to turn AI investments into meaningful outcomes, and why adding agents to legacy processes often creates faster versions of the same old problems.
Daniel also explains how one company reduced a four-day process to just 17 minutes—and why results like that only happen when organizations fundamentally rebuild how work gets done.
Highlights
• Why enterprises need guardrails AI cannot override
• How orchestration connects people, systems, and AI agents
• Why process redesign matters more than simple automation
• How businesses can safely enable non-technical teams to build with AI
• What the orchestrated enterprise could look like over the next five years
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Chapters
2:16 Why Business Processes Are Enterprise Algorithms
2:40 Why AI Investment Isn’t Delivering Bigger Outcomes
4:29 What Real AI Leverage Looks Like
6:35 Rebuilding the Software Development Process Around AI
11:19 Why Companies Struggle to Understand Their Own Processes
15:29 How Harmony Made a Process 90x Faster
16:40 How ProcessOS Reengineers Business Processes
19:54 Building AI Agents You Can Actually Trust
21:49 When an AI Agent Deletes the Database
22:28 Governance by Instruction vs. Governance by Structure
25:03 What AI Governance Can Learn From Human Access Controls
38:45 How to Test and Switch Between AI Models
45:00 Is Enterprise Software Becoming Headless?
46:51 The Rise of the Orchestrated Enterprise
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